I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Quite a difference! First, it will do everything the .338 will, and a bit more. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. As it was released in the first century of the . G. Joined: Sep 2009. The .35 Rem. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. from my E.R. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. with a similar 180-grain bullet. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. The Swedish firm of A.B. Perhaps thats why it has survived. What keeps it alive? Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. It has never failed me. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. The .358 Norma Mag. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. Most rifle elk hunting is not like bowhunting during the bugling season. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. Food for thought, is it not? Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. Tried and true. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. .50 Beowulf. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. You bet they worked! It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. I have become a 35 cal. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. Then come the .270s. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. But there is another Rigby cartridge, vastly overlooked even among rifle cranks, but which was at one time as popular as the .375 H&H Magnum: the .350 Rigby Magnum. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. plowed fresh ground. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. . You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. Out of stock View Details . An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. 35 Whelen. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. I have never lost an elk, and I do not recall ever tracking one for recovery. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. Looks like I'll do a Whelen. By Layne Simpson. I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges arent all about power. Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. The writings of Robert Ruark certainly helped the reputation of the cartridge and the company, as Ruark put his young PH Harry Selby and the .416 Rigby rifle he carried on a pedestal. It is capable of driving a. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Mag. All Rights Reserved. The .358 Norma Mag. The .350 Rem. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges.