I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. We are not under law, but under grace. Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. 8. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. For example, G.L. G.L. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. You are correct, I was surprised. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . Furthermore I believe it involved religion. This would explain the abrasiveness with which you deliver what should be the most joyous information of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. We should never be arrogant in the word, instead humble. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. (man of God). I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. PEOPLE are the problem! Sir, For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. In 1684, a Baptist church in Maine seeking greater religious liberty was relocated to Charleston, South Carolina. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. greg, Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. p.s. I attend an IFB church. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. Note..I, no particular denomination. The Independent Fundamental Baptist church could be defined as a cult given the multiple definitions of a cult and the characteristics of the IFB. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Omissions? While I do agree that there are some things that tradition has failed on (i.e. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. Right down to exactly a tenth. Sure enough, Stedfast Baptist Church, founded in 2017, is not a large or well-known church. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. He is much better at it than we are. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. I am personally done with religion If asked what religion I am, my standard answer is christian even though I am still attending a little Baptist Church. Thank you. @greg Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. I made a very similar forgiveness plea on facebook just yesterday, asking all to forgive me if I had ever legalistically stepped on them. I can certainly forgive you. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. Tithing I believe is liberty. Henry Jacob. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. That will suffice. @greg What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. I would agree with this. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. Thats NOT in the Bible anywhere! Hope this clears up some confusion. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. John 10:10, If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. Separation is not the problem. Greetings, Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. No Law we are obligated to in the sense they have any weight of sins being dealt withfor Jesus done away with sins. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. 4. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. This was the birth of Protestant churches. It should be free. Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. Examine any church in light of these five distinctive it will be shown if they are true historical Baptist congregation which is synonymous with what is a true biblical New Testament church. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ This site is run by a Jack Hyles follower. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. Everyone knew this was a farce. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. This is Bible 101 stuff. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. The message is set. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. WHICH BIBLE YOU USE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! This church was not founded on a man, but on the Bible. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. Where the pastors power is total? I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. But they should not be confused with Fundamental Baptists. The person, John the Baptist. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. Independent Church. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? This again cannot be proven from history. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Our goal here has always been to provide encouragement and resources for independent Baptists. My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. Im not sure about this one. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. . Select worship style. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. It was horrible. Unaccountable. I agree! This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. If other will share. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. fundamental, Baptist, church. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church. . You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. 5. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 3.) Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. People sin, and people attend churches. Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? How can you not see that? For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. They are worlds apart. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. HWY 3 NW. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. Later, he escaped and became a Christian missionary. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations.