Hey Jim, love your reviews and videos, just wondering when we might start seeing 7mm PRC rifles becoming more available in stores? I looked it up and the barrel profile is exactly the same for bigger calibers. Could you add another tier or two? Im looking for ANY rifle with a floor plate, metal, and wood but the only two I find are model 70, and browning. All six chamberings available in U.S.-market Momentums come with a threaded barrel. I like the reviews on the CVA but the Bergara is hard to beat, the Terrain Wilderness is the one Im leaning towards. Moreover, the firearm boasts an excellent light and smooth trigger. Seems like a solid gun for the money and straight pull seems fun. Thank you! Im thinking a 6 creedmoore with a proof carbon barrel, MDT onyx chassis, timmey trigger but cant decide on the action. I verified it with factory ammo, Guaranteed 1 MOA accuracy, but probably beats that, Guaranteed 1 MOA. That one is on my radar and Id love to hear your thoughts on it. Curious to hear your thoughts/experience with it. I appreciate your knowledge and insight. What do you think? Combing the interwebs just now I see other reviews reporting groups from 0.40 to 2 MOA depending on caliber and ammunition brand/load. I think I will try to pick one up next week, in either a .308 or .300. If you were to build a rifle what action would you use. Glad that rifle is a shooter. Id go with the Sako in that case. And contrary to most German rifles today, the barrel is threaded into the reciever (not heat shrunk). A junk plasticky trigger guard, its enough to make you barf just looking at it. So far really like it FYI. I think the rifle is feature rich and might be a real shooter. Why would anyone purchase a rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor when 7mm-08 will do everything the 6.5 can but with a bigger bullet, flatter trajectory, and comparable wind drift at typical hunting ranges? Sako has major problems with there stocks , I have owned several finnlight 85s and the stock will get sticky , Its not if its when , Sako will not do anything about this issue , They blame it on det in insect spray , I had one still in the box that got sticky and they didnt have an answer for that , You can read about this issue online its everywhere , Browning took care of this problem when they had this issue , I will never buy another sako for this reason , Do your research before buying one. Will the new/faster twist rates make a difference to users? Have you or will you be doing a video on Franchi hunting rifles. Do you know a lot about rifles. Synthetic as in black plastic, to be clear, not as in carbon fiber or some other fancy stuff. At the back of the bolt shroud, the firing pin protrudes to show cocked status (as seen above) and is flush with the rear of the bolt shroud when not cocked. I did go looking for the reloading equipment you mentioned and more on acquiring lowers ahead of time, yet unable to find. Jim love your channel. Regardless, they should have went with a flush mount magazine like the Axis which, if I may add sells new for a third of the Momentums MSRP in my part of the world. Do you have a suggestion for a backcountry hunting rifle that does well with heavy recoil? I was really looking at the Waypoint before so would you recommend that now or another? Torn between CVA cascade or bergara b14 ridge in 7mm-08. I do like the 300wm type power but its been a challenge researching top recommendations. 1 Image (s) Franchi Momentum Elite 6.5 Creed Realtree Excape 24" TB Burnt Bronze 41606. JavaScript is disabled. Looking at a Seekins Havak in 300 PRC. Feeler gauges became shims for my lathe and mill. My assumption has been that given the limited rifles and ammos out, the x-bolt with browning ammo would have to work well together right out of the box. Both have NO bolt lock when on safety. Lets weed out a few rifles I DONT recommend first. Christensen needs to improve its quality control in my opinion. Watch my review here. An XBolt in 6.8 Western may be a great option. I got it in 6.5 creedmoor for deer hunting. Interesting comparison. Swelled and checkered grip areas are molded into both sides of the stock over the internal magazine and again at the beginning of the forearm section. Manse, he actually has a point this time. So small and packable, and Im getting incredible accuracy out of it. $1,299.00. Great review I\ve been looking at a lot of your reviews and videos and am wondering if 7mm rem mag might be the best option for a cartridge. I have fond memories of my Weatherby, but the last few years its spent more time in my gun safe while I pack smaller calibers. There are quality inexpensive rifles being made, but if you step up into the $500-$1,000 price range, almost every option will shoot accurately and have more consistent quality control. But after that, its likely going to be a custom. One thing I always know I need in any rifle, hunting or range, is accuracy. In your opinion, is the Fierce worth the extra you pay or does the Springfield give you more value for the money you spend. And like most of the rest of the world for that matter. Id love to hear your thoughts on a modern option like the Extreme Weather SS MB. You lost when you bought junk because it will always be low cost junk and you lost when you went to purchase something of quality because the price went way up because you fked around too long before you realized you should have bought quality to begin with when it was still relatively affordable. I try to ruin stuff like this and am always amazed how much it will take. Though the forend wasnt perfectly centered coming closer to the left side of the barrel than the right side it was stiff enough that causing it to contact the free-floated barrel was difficult and wouldnt happen under most typical use. Although, I think Vlad is optimistic on price, but you can find a deal. I dont know if wood and metal rifles are extinct but it looks that way in Scheels. then The stock is not very rigid, the butt pad is too stiff, and the stock geometry is only acceptable. Im really down to the Fierce Carbon Rival vs the Weatherby MarkV Backcountry. Shot yesterday and shot at 200, 300 and 400 yards, 1/2-3/4 MOA. Hey Jim, . I agree with you 100 percent it is a home run for Springfield!!! Really enjoy your channel and dialogue on your reviews. In this price range, manufacturers use very loose tolerances and have very poor quality control, so Im careful what I recommend. I\m relatively new to the channel & website, and it has quickly become a favorite of mine. Thanks for the videos, they have been great! Im holding my breath for the comments section on this post. If youre into Italian and youre into affordable, but you still want some Ferrari performance at the Fiat price, Franchis Momentum delivers the goods. Can you review the spring kit for the factory trigger? However, I kill a lot of elk where Im from, and my smaller 6.5s dont produce the knock down effect I had with the Weatherby. Those all sound like good options. The Bergara B14 Wilderness with adjustable cheek piece would be a great choice, as well as anything in the Bergara Premier Series. Its one of the best 3 out of 8 rifles we tested in this price range. Never worried much about how my rifle looked either before or after the hunt. Savage 110? Specifically, I am looking at 300 PRC and .28 Nolser, or 300 Weatherby Magnum. Excellent 3/4 MOA accuracy with Hornady Precision Hunter ammo, QD Flush cups and picatinny embedded in the stock, Available in all the most popular chamberings for custom rifles (including 7 PRC), I personally would have preferred that they went with a more modern vertical grip, I wish there were an arca rail on the bottom of the forend for connecting to a tripod. Im a big fan of Sig pistols and never had an issue with QC. You havent included Winchester in your reviews. Hello from Bozeman, MT! Bergara B14 Hunter? Looks to me like an Apples to Oranges request. He recommended a wildcat round, 7 mm SAW. Cheers. Would love to know your thoughts on the Seekins Precision Havak PH2 rifles. Ive got an old 700 that is a beautiful gun and was a great deal but Im taking the plastic stock Savage up in the tree this fall. My builder said (because of the bad Winchester brass) he would not recommend the 68 Western. The stock and barrel is nothing special unless someone could chime in as to why it is different than all the others plastic stocks? Can Italian go to a local gun store and buy one (or any firearm) without a government license or permission? Fierce Rival I really like my Fierce Rival chambered in 6.5 PRC. Jim, The 300 win mag barrel twist is a little slow, but if you arent going to handload, it should shoot up the 200 grain bullets in factory Ammo just fine. The only downsides I have read of it is its screw-on bolt-knob and the fact that you may need a few more tools to disassemble the rifle. I am looking for a 6.5 creedmoor bolt action hunting rifle for our place in north central west Texas. I have a Sears gun with an FN Action and a deluxe hand checkered walnut stock (real hand checkering not junk machine cut checkering) in .270 caliber and I paid $300 for it used. 180 gr Remington tipped core lokt and its in the bullseye out to 400. What matters is on the paper for 550 dollars and a threaded barrel to boot. Action is amazing and a really great factory trigger. Thanks for doing great work. I dont see the stock being much different really. Maybe not, but I have been caught in down pores and all the morons that were with me came back to the car with rust on their guns but not me. Hello Jim, So Id recommend just paying for it online. Im really interested in them but can hardly find a proper review of them. Also, I think the X-Bolt Pro just isnt bringing enough to the table for doubling the price over a regular X-Bolt. Just hasnt been available. . I would definitely buy the Winchester XPR SR version, which means suppressor ready, so you get a threaded barrel. Yes and yes. Hey there Jim. The barrel is cold hammer forged with rifling like the Sako (Tikka). Not impressed with the plastic trigger guard also because I have broken one on a different rifle and it was a pain in the rear to source. Id love to hear if the model 70 is still relevant. My concern is that with your test, the vanguard with a #2 profile barrel threw shot #5 basically everytime. Ive been a little coy about recommending one specific rifle in this price range because its a tight race. I didnt see a Bergara in your list. Theres also the option of ordering that rifle with a Vortex Crossfire II scope on it. And a nice walnut stock would have cost them a few more pennies to use. Best known for making value-priced shotguns, Franchi may well have taken a leap of faith by entering the highly competitive centrefire market. You mentioned in your latest live video that youre off the Savage Ultralight these days. Jim, after watching the review of your Rival I wanted you to know I had the same problems with mine. Hey Jim! I'm looking at it in 300 win mag. This gun is very accurate, has a great bump pad to absorb recoil (unlike most wood rifles) and has a threaded barrel for good measure. Its short, compact, lightweight, sinfully accurate with my handloads, feeds 100%, and adjustable so it fits me perfectly. Most of the great rifles youve taken time to make us salivate for do not make left handed models. guns.com Buy. I want to buy a new rifle in 30-06. All in 7mm Rem Mag of course . Wondering your opinion on those I understand theyre not hunting rifles I just thought you would enjoy those rigles as I do. I know there will be a lot of hate because Ive been very frank about my opinions, but I test so many rifles that I just wanted one single post that I keep up to date where I can just say it how I see it without any politically correct crap. YOU SHOULD TEST THE SAKO S20 in 6.5 PRC OR THE SAKO BRANDS. Take your pick but you get a super reliable gun and if you ever broke an extractor or firing pin you can change them out right in the field within minutes. LOL. Thank you for your time. I recall in a vid you talked about hunting with Mosin Nagans, the Russian 30.06! Anyway, love the Backfire channel. $799.00 Add To Cart For Price. Hey Jim I recently found your stuff and have been doing a deep dive. Those that do could at least be highlighted. I love to hunt white tail deer in Arkansas. Theres also no shortage of cartridges that send a 6.5mm bullet at much higher velocities than the Swede so I have to assume by your metric those are all superior to the Swede? If you want a wood stock, metal parts, and nice bluing, feel free to spend an extra $300 or more on a Ruger Hawkeye or similar. have you try the weatherby mark v accumark in 300 win mag? Jim, Ive owed most of the brands youve mention here. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Any thoughts. Im surprised it didnt make the list. I really enjoy your reviews and opinions. To be clear, youll load the rifle from the top, pushing one round at a time down and into the internal magazine, and this function allows you to safely and easily unload the Momentum. Overall, I think the best three rifles under $1,000 are the Tikka T3X Lite, the Bergara B-14 Ridge, and the Weatherby Vanguard. It looks like a real great gun. Wondering if you have a reason for this Never fired, sold it for 600). Ive never shot one that couldnt achieve a 1 group at 100 yards. An innovative modern design with folding buttstock, pistol grip. The Tikka T3 features a standard box 3 round magazine but certain models come with a 4 round magazine. Threaded barrel, cerakote barrel, hand painted stock. Solid brass bullet ,which I really like. 3. and three-stage safety. Its like the girl you almost dated because you were such good friends and got along with great, but just never could fall in love with. The new Elite versions now feature detachable box magazines, Cerakote metal finishes and stocks wearing popular camo patterns. Jim, Hi Jim, Does that make sense from what I\ve mentioned? Im giving the Momentum an extra star above average for the polished, fluted bolt and all the checkered ergonomic areas on the stock that fancy it up a bit. Accuracy * * * * * So not sure what went wrong with the patriot, and I dont really use the ATR except for friends to use but it is a hell of an accurate rifle. Advice? Spacers are included for length of pull adjustment. First available in 1936 for Petes sake. Yeah, the Reaper is pretty awesome. keep on the good work and excuse my poor englis. I reload, so Ive been able to work on the load. In front of the recoil pad, on the bottom of the Momentums shoulder stock, are two molded-in features: a hand groove grip area for holding the stock with ones support hand while shooting from a rest, and a recessed sling swivel mount. Italians know firearms and so do the Finns. Your input has influenced some decision Im making for future hunting rifles and calibers. I recently had a chance to sight it in and run everything over the chronograph . I would not even try and shoot a moose with the Creedmore but its no problem with the 6.5 Swede with its 1 in 7.8 twist with the 160 grain slugs. Now I want another one and to get in to some long range and MAYBE some hunting. I purchased a Stockys carbon stock for my Vanguard 6.5 PRC Meateater rifle and was able to shoot a suppressed 5 shot group at 100 yards that measured under 1/2 moa. (Momentum 2018 followed by the Momentum Elite 2019). These areas are designed to provide purchase and ergonomic grip options for different shooting positions and styles, such as the five seen above. The plasticky stock is Pure junk. A junk dull blue finish, it would have costed them too much to put a decent high gloss bluing on it. I can not find on your website. The Momentum is Franchi's hunting rifle, introduced by the Italian firm in 2018. XPR has a great barrel (mine was very accurate), free floated; pretty smooth bolt/action for price; same trigger as M70; permacote is durable; stock is better than most in price range. I was about to buy a Christenson Arms rifle but you and a few others have commented about the quality. Franchi Momentum All-Terrain Elite .223 Rem 18" 1:8" Bbl TrueTimber Strata/Midnight Bronze 10+1 Rifle 41751. Would I buy this rifle? Im sure a video review by you would certainly help clarify and perhaps sway my views on the Sauer 100s. Mostly hand carried, thick timber and hills in foul weather. I agree! Meet the Franchi Momentum Bolt-Action Rifle. Obviously your not going to buy one move on. Yes, thats five rounds as always. What is your opinion on this gun? Model 70s and tons and tons of various 98 Mauser rifles ranging from converted low cost military guns to commercial Mausers that cost thousands. Its a well designed stock, but the fit and finish feels cheesyespecially the checkering pattern they use. MSRP:$609 (about $450 retail). Thank you for your great videos especially on moderately priced optics and arms. What are your thoughts on the Remington Model 700 Alpha One? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Jim, Ive had three X bolts in 6.8 western in the past 8 months and all shot well but velocities were a good 100 fps or more below what was stated on box on three different brands. Not many have been around since they are new this year. It just does everything reasonably well. This is Franchis first rifle and they want into the market place are keeping the price low. Premium recoil pad, pic rail, fluted barrel, muzzle breakMOA guaranteed accuracy like the Tikka. See also Gluck. How is it Franchis fault again? And I need it in a shorter stock. I am from Canada- and watching your channel for quite a time. I did achieve the box numbers through hand loading and Magpro powder for the 170 Bergers and Staball 6.5 for the 129 lrx. Im looking for an elk rifle. My initial impression is that it is a pretty standard budget bolt gun. Dont get me wrong. I believe the momentum rifle could easily stack up against the models outlined in the under $500 category. I like the fact that you backed your reviews with a substantial reason for the review vs nothing to substantiate the review. Id probably go with the Bergara Wilderness Ridge. You sound like the new guy that is 25 and has 150 years experience. I am looking into ordering a 20 Super Sniper chambered in .308 and was curious to know if you have had any experience with it? I looked at the Waypoint locally and thought is was a really nice gun. Savage, Tikka, Browning, Christensen- all offer LH options and should be commended for it. Watch my review here. Ive shot it twice and didnt like it either time. So how do you choose between them? Esp in 7mm-08. Hi Jim, Its a good quality scope for shooting out to 300 yards but doesnt have adjustable turrets so if youll want to do some long-distance shooting, order it without a scope. The narrow width put my eye behind the scope nicely but also leaves enough fudge factor for owners who will add an aftermarket cheek piece or wrap. Thanks. I am looking at it in 243 but cant decide between that and x bolt. My 6.5 CM shoots sub MOA groups. Bergara seems to have just come out with a Walnut stock maybe as a result of one of you comparing their stocks to garage floors??? These are deal breakers. I really love your channel. You mention it just once in this string but dont come back to it at all. As I completely dislike sporter pencil barrels. Know it is not a bolt action rifle, but how does the Henry Long Ranger stack up against these options? Hello Jim, I am in the market for a new rifle and have really narrowed it down between the Fierce Rival and the Springfield 2020 Waypoint. The scope I bought is a Sea Adler, 3x9x40. Keep up the good work! The deciding factor for me was the trigger, and that 3 of my buddies shoot the Savage. Is it ever gonna happen or should I just buy a 6.5 prc? It also really liked this 147 grain MEN stuff that I bought in bulk cheap some years ago basically just for semi-auto plinking use. Every Weatherby Ive ever shot has been exceptionally accurate and well-built. Im in the market for my very first rifle and I have been eying up the Weatherby Vanguard ever since I saw you pick it. Yes please, there is a major lack of opinions out there on the LUPO. Did you pick up the Seekins? Ill be using it in the Southern Rockies for context. For my boy. A fine rifle like this is perfect for beating to shit while you learn the other basics. The Tikka T3x has a single-column detachable clip magazine made from a strong fiberglass-reinforced composition. I was unaware of the QC issues with the Cross. Its incredibly well built. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. Im sure the leupold would be better, but for a 700 dollar difference, Ill see how I like the Burris. My main gun is a Tikka T3 in 30-06. I have shot the Impulse and wasnt impressed. The Tikka action is by far the best in this price point because it cycles ammo perfectly, has a silky smooth bolt slide and is manufactured to a high tolerance so every last one I pick up feels just as good as the one next to it. Going to take the plungedeep. Threaded barrel for a brake. Do you have any information on the Howa, or an opinion on which way I should. There is one drawback to the Tikka T3x Lite. The torque settings have to be exact and should use friction paper in the bottom rings. Jim, any thoughts on the Venture 2 from TC? Ive been kicking around trying out the 28 Nosler just to pick up a bit more performance at 500+ ranges. Do you have any experience or thoughts on the JTAC? It was made for them as a throw back to the Finbear (now Discontinued) Its chambered in 270. The redesigned rifle includes all the original features that. Seekins is another I looked into but judging by the lack of representation in reviews I\m not confident in it either. So with 6.5CM its sure to take the deers soul. The action is butter smooth and the stock has a palm swell the sold me when I first picked the gun up. So, if those ones should be avoided, what rifles SHOULD hunters consider? Im not the person I asked the question but I am also looking at one chambered and 308 and another shop down the road has a 30-06. I have one in 308 and Federal premium 168grain Berger hunter (or hunter hybrid, cant remember now) shoot less than an inch at 100 yards, but now they are hard to find. The Tikka T3X Lite comes with an absolutely fantastic action. Though the tightest of those were from outlets that shoot 3-round groups, for what thats worth (well, its worth a tighter average group size). I like the cleaner lines without the mag sticking out. Holy Moses, what an incredible rifle. They look standard, dont include fluting on the (rather beefy) bolt or the (rather beefy) barrel, the action and barrel are just blued, the trigger is fine but not outstanding, the action is quite smooth but not as smooth as a Tikka. I'll stick with my Tikkas, they make me happy! The Momentum Elite comes with a detachable box-type magazine that holds three or four cartridges (depending on the caliber) for fast, safe and easy loading and unloading. Hi Jim, Thanks for the content you put out! I would like a 280 Ackley and Fierce only makes it in the Rival. Mine is in 223 for chucks. Thank you and keep up the great job! November 29, 2018 By Steve Gash. I might add I have never found any real advantage with a short action rifle either. We watch all your videos on YouTube. Great to see honest reviews that are very entertaining hope to see many more. We hunt in northern Utah. Jim, Great content on both the website and on Youtube. Keep up the good work! I have watched your reviews on both, so maybe your opinion on whether itd be worth the additional money To go with the Waypoint. (1) The Springfield 2020 Waypoint with a steel barrel, (2) You could wait a few months for the new Bergara B14 Squared Crest to come out, or (3) Get a Sig Cross. I loved the way it shot and felt. Available in six calibers, TTAG gave the $609 MSRP .308 Winchester flavor a test drive. Today, though, I would buy a Dead Air Nomad or a CGS Hyperion given the choice of anything on the market. Nor do my groups appear to be outliers for the Momentum. Gear up as your favorite Delsin Rowe Vest. If you go slow while trying to be quiet in a hunting situation, it may not feed right. Granted, I got the better tools for measuring how off what they sold is but theres some applications where cheap is better. Its a great suppressor. The stock feels like it is created of a very tough polymer. So how do you really feel? What r your thought for a high end choice up to around the 3k range? Have to admit I love Henrys, so am trying to take my heart out of the decision with wisdom from someone more experienced like you. Im at a point that I can spend $1500+ for a hunting rifle. It appears that Fierce is stretching the truth a bit on weight because mine weighs 6 pounds, 4 1/8 oz and its a short action with 24 6.5mm barrel so it should be about the lightest one they have. Its become a turn off. Christensen Ridgeline So many people have asked me to review one, and I just cant justify spending $2,000 on one because Ive heard so many reports of inconsistent manufacturing quality. Good Morning Jim Im leaning on leaving my 300 Weatherby for a 300 win mag, and very interested in Seekins. FRANCHI MOMENTUM ELITE True Price: $ 816.99. Great comment, Frank. What ammo are you shooting in your cross? Im looking at the Waypoint now. Hard to go wrong with it for online prices often below $400. Seems like the bergara barrel profile would be better for larger cartridges. The build quality was amazing, and shot sub MOA with factory Norma ammo. This rifle broke two scopes I highly recommend the Leupold which I have on it now .team this up with the Barnes TTPX BT. Same as you, I wish the offerings were a bit better. Magazine Comparison: The Browning X-Bolt features a 4 round detachable polymer rotary magazine. I own the X-Bolt in 7mm Magnum and it is fantastic. But the chassis is the killer for me. Its a scaled down, lighter weight Sako TRG action with a Sako barrel and trigger. Man I really love your reviews! Also would be cool to see you do a semi-custom rifle (Bighorn action, prefit barrel, Ag composites stock, trigger tech, etc.) The Howa is around $200-$300 cheaper than the Savage. Just easier to carry in hand, never a sling. The rings came with friction paper. I mean, this is one heck of a tight group! Things happen and every animal is different, but I feel like its my duty to show that respect. Am I wrong in my logic? The Sig Cross has really become one of my favorite guns to shoot. Ive tried a lot of others, including Hornady PH (178gr I think) and Hornady Match 168 gr, and they are lucky to shoot 4 inch group with huge point of impact change. Fierce Reaper I just love it so much. I dont want it to feel pain or the anxiety of dying slowly. Hello Jim, great article. Some day Ill give one a more fair look. Excellent in every way but its expensive. There is a nice Bavarian Sako but theres isnt much data on accuracy on the range with a scope. I could go for a more grabby grip myself, but the Momentums checkering is certainly sufficient. I actually ordered a CVA cascade first, in .308, but changed my mind and returned it and bought the Franchi. You have entered an incorrect email address! Ruger precision is really heavy for hunting, but a cool rifle. Seems like a lot of bang for the buck. A lot of older rifles are very superior to these entry level rifles. However, Ruger American rifles are not perfect. You mentioned the seekins havoc, but not in detail. GSG, I always just hunted. Just remember one thing the price of the good older stuff keeps going up and up so when you waste your money on junk it never goes up in value as fast as the good stuff so when you do get around to buying something of quality you lost twice not once. I sent my Rival back for repair and after six weeks it came back with the same problem. What is your opinion on the Edge vs Rival? The scope hasnt moved for years now and I have shot it quite a bit. Franchi was founded in 1868 in Brescia . x bolt is about 150 or more expensive. Or, even better if your choice cost less. Stock: AG Composites Alpine Hunter. Its a good option for light cartridges, but the light weight and stock design dont make for a good match on heavy cartridges. Great reviews, but nothing on the Browning AB3? There are many rifles above the $2k price point. If a person is willing to invest the money; would you recommend the reaper above all else for a do it all hunting rifle? Thanks for your thoughts and time! The trigger is heavy, but thats true on the Browning XBolts as well. Thank you. Nor did it entirely love the excellent Hornady Black ammo, putting two rounds through the O that I was aiming at and three in another very tight group some distance away. I purchased a 280 AI in a Mark V Weatherby instead. Moving back-to-front, things start out with a cushy rubber recoil pad. Hey Jim, You must log in or register to reply here. Are you familiar with this cartridge? Thanks, I enjoy watching you on YouTube and its really nice to see your reviews before purchasing guns and related stuff.