It will not heal anyone to tell them that they are wrong when they say that their relationship is healthy and happy even though they have an aspect that you think is destined to be unhealthy. Your passions are overwhelming, spontaneous, and you develop your attractions without even thinking about it. There is so few information on these aspects so I really appreciate reading more about it here and in the forum. Hi, anyone can tell me more about a double whammy Pluto-Venus? Your email address will not be published. I know this is not my website, so I cannot change how you write and it is not my business to dictate how you write. there is no contact in real life anymore but the connection via the sexual chakra (either sacral or root chakra ) is still there and very strong. Her theme is power-alluring and irresistible. Lilith is not dark, per se, Friend. They are deceiving themselves, would be a better way to say it. But, I will take sides with Sydney on this issue. We talk about it often (3rd house moon overlay) its just a bit overwhelming sometimes like a sweet dream one moment, then an absolute nightmare. That is why I dont mince words. They made my day, Jeanie. Please, keep me posted though but, yes, please, be careful, Love! YOU are the most important person to me. The Lilith person might have trouble with issues surrounding desirability. thank you again for being so welcoming, Thank you so much, Sovietlana! Lilith brings up deep and primal sexual energy sometimes accompanied by feelings of anger and rage. They may cause each other significant pain and strife, but God help any outsider who dares to point it out. This is a general rule, my Friend. My sun and deja are on his nn. I think you will have the urge to abuse. I seem to be one of the rare people doing it lol. If anything, Ive suffered abuse from others at times. You can have Mars/Pluto with a fling and not feel a thing in your emotions.We have the same kind of weighting with the conjunction, trine, opposition and square as we did above. Partners switch roles? I know there are astrologers who make every aspect positive but I dont think that is real and real is what heals and real is what gets people mad at you too lol. Deja conj the DSC may make you look for wounded bird types. Children create their future adult personalities by learning from the adults around them and their interactions, so it makes sense, sadly. Any other aspect will show a wound through marriage, but the marriage wasnt necessarily involving both parties together. I am honored to have you as a valued member of my website family , Ivs, why dont you come put your chart in my Personal Readings Forum. Also my true node is at 22 Cancer close to my nessus (conjunction?) Lets see. About Nessus/BML, I would watch it. Great questions. He has pholus conjunct dejanira, all on my BML exact. They often indicate a desire to sexually conquer/arouse one another. I suppose I should add that. How would it play out if my boyfriends Dejanira is conjunct my venus/juno conjunction but my venus/juno is part of a grand trine with my midheaven and also my moon/Bella/mars/pluto conjunction? However, Moon/Pluto in conjunction does not have to turn bad. Have you tried? Sun sextile/trine/conjunct Moon is often found in marriage synastry charts. Wow, Pluto conj the DSC may be looking for partners who have strong primal power and you may not have accessed your own. YES, your Deja conj his NN will make you his victim, to put it really directly. Hardly. Im 30 with a mother that is 32 years older than myself and have never experienced any abuse, and Ive been alive and around my mother long enough to experience it. It can ruin possible healthy relationships. I guess ill post mine and then our synastry chart. Thank you, Lo and Welcome the reason this is the case is that Mars is sexual drive( all drives actually). It is the passion of lovers and the pure, primal love of a mother for her baby. When you say one which you contemplate, do you mean that the person is aware of the abuse tendency and tries to deal with it? I was wondering.. Are Sun/Mars (double whammy) and Venus/Mars (double whammy) dark aspects in synastry? Im not saying it is impossible for the aspects to play put for people, because a lot of times, you do see it come into play, but really only when ones own natal supports that factor with aspects between actual planets. Yes, it would. Also, I discovered that my daughter has Dejanira conjunct her 2H Virgo Moon(3 deg. Saturn draws the couple together due to karma, but Juno and South Node aspects offer more of a choice. Uranus/Mars in synastry can be kinky. My main point is reflection. Eros in a synastry chart. What use is reams of esoteric info for real life applications. 10. They play out to have a certain pattern to the relationship. My Fortuna conjuncts precisely his Dejanira and Moon. It is a pleasure to be here. (double-whammy..) "I want to welcome you to my website. Thank you a bunch for being so sweet Free~ I do agree that Ami is quite insightful, however I would like to chime in and say that I do not make every aspect positive I make every aspect neutral because the stars and planets are not going to tell you something is bad or make something bad. His natal mars, lilith, pluto conjunction is conjunct my ic and I've distanced myself from him knowing that he has wayyyy too much power over me, but every time I see him I can barely stand and immediately start shaking I am glad my post was helpful! Its not a square but there isnt much info out there on the conjunction. However, if the time is right, for sure, I would trust the chart over a personal account. I came across your blog post and so went through my charts looking for couple friends and this one came up as having the conjunction. It may be off a few minutes and change things. We are not discussing potential long-term compatibility between the sexes, not the love match-rather, signs of initial sexual attraction and knee-jerk reactions between two people. Lilith Synastry Sun and Lilith conjunct in the synastry chart When Sun person's Sun and Lilith person's Lilith combine, each person awakens the deep desire for individuality and creativity in each other. With mercury and Uranus in Scorpio. This is not to say it would be better or even easier. I was sexually abused in my home by a family member. This vertex conjunction shows up again like in my previous relationship. Lilith desires sacred sex above all things. You could post it in my Forum if you would like, Eva. It took me a minute to think about the wounded bird types, but I think you might be right. The asteroid Eros plays a role in sexual attraction as well. Thank you for your response, I appreciate it very much. His 8th house Nessus is conjunct my 7th house Dejanira (2s), opposite my moon (-1s) and square my mercury (2a). The charts tell all. Does the man walk up to you and tell you that he wants to abuse you because you seem like the perfect victim? I just never have, not that it is not good. "In Greek art Eros was depicted as a winged youth, slight but beautiful, often with eyes covered to symbolize the blindness of love. I am for the stark, bare truth cuz that is what heals. When these relationships end, it is not pretty. My jupiter conjunct his sun and venus. His dejanira is conjunct with my sun. It does indicate that both partners knew each other in a past life, but other romantic aspects are needed in the chart to create an energy strong enough for a marriage. They have a very imaginative sex life. Things dont come out until marriage, sometimes. Thanks you, Jos. In my studies and usage of them, they play out to be the abuser and the victim. <3, Hi AmiAnn, do you have any thoughts on this? I had this excerpt saved from somewhere on the internet, but don't have the original source. I will come back and answer when I have time to really look at the details. Yes, this is all very true but the charts exist outside of time, too. Check house placement and aspects to further your . The same with nessus conjunct ASC? I love you and hope you write to me to say hello or to ask questions. Thanks SO much for your kind words. It may seem challenging but we share many conjunctions and trines/sextiles. That is most certainly not the truth. Eros & Psyche in. There are many, many possibilities in astrology, even infinite if Im speaking on the complexity of each persons chart. Hi Amiann Posts: 9778 From: Death Star . or is the bad guy Nessus only dangerous when in conjonction with Dejanira ? I think theres a trine or sextile to other asteroids but nothing major. The Sun person naturally understands who the Moon person is and vice versa. To be honest, few people overcome Nessus. She is deeply alluring and irresistible. Would the aspects to the venus offset the negativity that the Dejanira implies? All this is square my Moon. Is this a synastry, Ariel? All of astrology is neutral. I asked if I could post their charts but my friend isnt comfortable with it. Would appreciate some insight!! Thanks for your help Amiann. You find them sexually attractive. I dont really understand the aspect you are asking about. . It takes me several hours so I could not do it here. I guess I was just worried in general, just in case :P. how about deja conjuct saturn 1 degree. I, always, have people want to tell me that Nessus is not always abuse. Keep an eye on anyone who is near her. And And my pluto trine his sun and venus..xxx, Mars sq Pluto can be violence and/or violent/strong passions. Maybe you felt this way sometimes given your Lilith-Eros contacts, but I was certainly the one more outwardly angry when the mess finally hit the fan. Thank you for your words. xx, haha you are so cute, I like you and you write very simple and easy to understand. The ex that abused me while I was pregnant had his Nessus conjunct my MC. The flip side is that when it ends( and it usually does) you could go to jail for homicide. . A Sun conjunct Lilith transit highlights the power traits like charisma, magnetism, emotional force and leadership qualities of the Sun. As far as the form of abuse, one must look at the sign and the quadriplicity( cardinal, fixed or mutable) One must look at the chart to see how the abuse will play out but I think that abuse will occur in your situation with Nessus conjunct Dejanira. 8. And posting my charf sounds like fun, I just might . Sometimes I nurture sometimes he does. 12 degrees is WAY too much to be conj the ASC, my Friend. I hope I can do this in my articles. Aww Fluffy In order to talk about an asteroid, one must isolate it. No worries. That would seem to be the case but sometimes, the strength of these aspects get the better of us, so it is hard for me to answer. Venus conj Chirondoes love seem to bring pain? What would you say about moon conjunct pluto in a composite chart. Lilith, both Black Moon and Asteroid 1181, brings up deep and primal sexual energy sometimes accompanied by feelings of anger, rejection and rage. With asteroids, I would accept a 3 degree conjunction, tops. Not all people with a prominent Dejanira are victims I disagree.I think they will be until they can truly overcome it with God. I have very wide-orbed Eros-Lilith contacts (not conjunctions) in my two last relationships (they are Eros, I'm Lilith), but both relationships were so 8th house-oriented and Plutonian that it's hard to tell where Lilith comes in. I just want to let people know that things are not as clean cut and set in astrology as it is written sometimes because things that are presented as the only possible, likely truth will make people will fear astrology and the people around them if they look into isolated aspects from small asteroids and planets alike. Hi Posts: 376From: Western Massachusetts, USRegistered: May 2009. What about mars, Saturn and Jupiter in Virgo? Keep in mind that conjunctions are the most important, but other aspects can occasionally speak to marriage. so, quick question, where do I post it? I never heard of these asteroids, especially being linked to abusers and victims. My ex has Scorpio Pluto conjunct my scorpio moon, and I have Sagittarius pluto conjunct his sagittarius moon. This is my opinion and other people may differ but I call things as I see them, Mandy dear. Synastry When a person's natal moon forms a conjunction with someone's Eros, or vice versa, this can be a very sexualbut very intenserelationship. Astrology 101 Astrophilosophy 1.8K subscribers Subscribe 119 3K views 1 year ago Eros and Venus in. Do you think I need to worry about the Nessus/BML conjunction or about abusing the poor wounded birds I keep looking for? 9. Most karmic astrology synastry reports dont take Chiron into account nearly enough. I dont do the Draconic. I think the Nessus/Deja relationship in synastry is a re-play of childhood abuse. Do you know what these aspects could mean? Sun person helps Lilith person recognize their subconscious gifts and strengths. Sorry if this came off mean, I just dont want people to get scared over having one aspect when astrological interpretations are not set in stone. Can it be dangerous amiann? Thats why its so weird bc it is a very good longterm relationship. I am not mad, I am correcting you for instilling fear in people with your claim to truth. Well, we have a Sun (me) trine Pluto and a Pluto (me) conjunct his sun, Thank you so much for the reply and sorry for the late reply, Ive just seen it xx My moon is in Sagittarius and his in cancer, so that always worries me , He has pluto at 27 Virgo with my sun at 11 Virgo. it would be such a fortunate relationship with his Jupiter conjunct my ASC in synastry, and Venus-Jupiter exact composite conjunction right on his natal Sun! The Five Darkest, Sexual Aspects in Synastry There is attraction based on dark forces like rage, pain and abuse. Mars pluto aspects I'm still not even sure if Eros/Lilith contacts are positive or negative?
I dont mean to, but I think I find issues/hurts of my friends and partners and end up trying to mother them if thats what you meant. About YOU being the Nessus with your b/f. Please post the charts. I suppose you have choice on whether to act on it. Or can both apply? Who does whom, so to speak? I often am able to get away in time, and at other times I can get away only to a certain degree. Composite: moon conjunct Neptune, Venus square Pluto, Black moon lilth conjunct Pluto square mars conjunct ceres..any explanations on this type of relationship would be very helpful!!?? My Dejanira is square his venus (-0a) and conjunct his vertex (0s). I have not seen it fail in all of my chart work. Does it matter if he doesnt have pluto in aspect to my venus (mine is 19 Libra)? In the conjunction, the planets are next to each other( or on top of each other in the exact conjunction). 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. It would simply be different. As for MY natal chart I also have mars and Saturn conjunct in Scorpio. Crow Symbolism: Spiritual Meaning Of The Crow, 6 Effective Studying Spells For Exams, Class, & Enhanced Focus, Winter Solstice & Yule: Rituals, Traditions, And Ways To Celebrate. They have transcended Nessus conj Dejanira, which is a new situation for me to see. Conjunctions, oppositions, and trines are best. Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. How will these aspects play out? Is this you? Eros thrills, scares and creates intense bonds. 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. Thank you, Amiann. This question would need me to see the whole chart because what I do is put it all together and come out with a practical answer. This relationship can be really passionate, fiery, and exciting. Lots of good aspects so thats why the Nessus Dejanira confuses me. I am looking to add 5 more aspects and would love your opinions! Even with a trine this 8th house effect enhances both the good and the bad ? I had waaaaay more rage than he did (granted, there were reasons for that) and said things so hurtful that I wince now when I think about them. I use the term female, but it would be the same for either sex. I know it is not funny but the charts will play out, in my experience, anyway. BUT my dejanira is conjunct with his sun by one degree and my dejanira is also in the same degree as my AC What does that mean? my sun in exact opposition to his pluto (I have this aspect in the natal chart) and my pluto in conjunction with his sun in an orb of 7 even far he can feel it? Mars is the planet of passion, desire and sexual drive and Eros is the physical act of sex Re: Lilith conjunct . Thank you Ivs. If a mans Nessus conjuncts, your Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or North Node, he will abuse you, in my opinion. Asteroids and aspects do not control people. Not sure which one id prefer. I only didnt like that its being portrayed as complete truth that will always occur, when its definitely not the case. How fortunate we are to have such a wonderful body of info to help us! Yet despite this fearsome reputation she was often dismissed as " a minor Babylonian wind deity " or similar. Could you specify what you mean by abuse (subtle, verbal, violent etc.?)? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I wonder what do you think it would happen when nessus conjuncts nessus in synastry. I think most people of the same time period would have it though, so it is not that big of a deal, I think. Does this mean anything? I also have moon trine neptune, venus conjunction chiron snd more aspects to do with empathy. tell me your story, if you care to, Juice dear. Saturn conj Mars in Scorpio could produce a kinky kind of thing. In this case Nessuus is retro in conjunction with the North node. When the son grows up, he will likely be the abuser,too. Grace dear Eros Conjunct the Midheaven: This synastry aspect will be quite powerful for both parties since it will impact the way that the world views them. I was thinking that maybe one of the lesser factors could be moon/mars contacts? His sun/jupiter/neptune/venus are on my venus/saturn trouble spot in scorp. To make it simple for those of you who are on the same path, Ive rounded up the top 5 placements that indicate a past life marriage. Sorry, lol. Talk about deep dark sexual desiresTremendous sexual need to control. I wasnt abused as a child in any way. . I dont believe in past lives, Lo. 2) I just looked for the child asteroid and it is on 28 Capricorn, conjuct with my venus 1 Aquarius. Hi Amiann, how do you think nessus square neptune would play out in synastry, lets say if its almost exact. I mean, a persons life is complicated. It is not good to have a base level view on what will happen with one isolated aspect. His Nessus conjunct her midheaven. Eros in Aries makes a person love the chase. with Dejanira conjunct his natal Saturn, Mars. The first would be Nessus. Does nessus still be working as a tendency to abuse? I generally cannot stand them, and their tendency to be arogant and conceited towards anyone who doesnt think the way they do does come across as downright abusive to me. Nessus conj the NN in the natal would be a person who would likely be abusive. Hi Ami, Ive been quietly enjoying your site for years now and am finally reaching out as Im intrigued by your work on nessus/deja and recently entered into a relationship with someone (not romantic) who I discovered has nessus and mars conj my nn exact. its more like the astrology helps me to fill in the pictures. You can think that Im mad that what youre saying is real all you want, but the only thing that bothered me is your fatalistic outlook and claim of truth that is actually not real. You interpret things based off of your own view. Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com 2000 Nonetheless, your interpretation of dejanira and nessus is intriguing. I wonder if that would mean that he IS an abuser but couldnt abuse me ?? If you do not have either of these in the natal but have them in synastry, it will play out the same way. The opposition would be the same but not as locked in or as intense. She is deeply alluring and irresistible. vertex conjunct moon and ascendant in scorpio can make it dark too? Things DO offset things but one must look at everything to see a final answer which is my goal when doing charts.I am not trying to sell myself here, just trying to show that your question is too deep for a quick answer, my Friend. Is there anything I can do to help her? I would put Moon/Pluto first in terms of super connection and passion and Venus/Pluto second. Unlike Juno/Saturn aspects, Juno in aspect with the South Node does not necessarily indicate that marriage in this life will be a force. orb). Lilith on the ic is one of the more potent lilith synastry to have even in the composite. If you want to ask about 2 aspects, I will try to answer but an answer on the whole relationship needs an entire chart reading. Your analysis is lovely. What I wanted to know first was what past lives we had together. Ami is an insightful astrology. We have our arguments and I sometimes feel put down by him (and, to be fair, he feels the same way about me) and sometimes my self-esteem suffers. I know somebody whose Moon conjuncts his Dejanira (30 minutes). Do you think the way it plays out ties into whatever our attitudes toward Eros/Lilith themes (erotic transformation, primal urges, etc) were to begin with? Eros-Psyche: Eros and Psyche are natural mates. We are mesmerized, enchanted, and even obsessed with this person. I just got into astrology a month ago and find it fascinating. I have Dejanira in Pisces in the 4H. It is desire, it is passion and love. This really highlights this magnetic quality to this conjunction and creates a situation where each individual holds the . There is attraction based on dark forces like rage, pain and abuse. I would say no, but I am not the last word in anything. This is another clear-cut past life astrology marriage aspect, although it isnt as heavy. I just found out my abusers Moon is 1 degree conjunct my Dejanira. It is not pretty at all. I agree with Sydney. I have this aspect with someone Im seeing. Thanks for your posts Ami. I can relate to everything Ive read from you. The chart is complex and one has to look at the entire chart to draw very global conclusions. The issue is that me disagreeing with you being fatalistic (because what you say is not what always happens, not even 60% of the time because I have nessus/dejanira aspects with most people that are close to me, and I have never been abused or attacked in any of those relationships) does not mean that Im not accepting the truth.