mountain lions in new hampshire

Infinite Scroll Enabled. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. We'll be right back. They kill big animals. They are the same thing. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Thanks for a great thanks. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. And those are not the same things. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Oh you saw him online. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Have it reported down in the Keene area. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. Just. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Thank you. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. So what a neat experience. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. A lot of times. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. And they were using all the habitat. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. History of Mountain Lions in New Hampshire | NH Wildlife Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Yes. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. We're not in the woods. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . 50 feet above the most. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. So now what's going on. Does not test random Scouts. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Really appreciate it. One was in Shelton. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. 44-H Links. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. So it's there was no question in my mind. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Rick your thoughts. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Give today. www.wildlife.state.nh.us, Buy or Renew Your Saltwater Fishing License, Great Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . So you want identifiable backgrounds. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Really appreciate it. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. And it was unmistakable. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. They sent it already. Can you tell us about that story. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Yes. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. Right. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. The brother and sister big cats have lived . Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. You're on the air. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Seems reasonable! Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Peter Biello: Wow. And why would they what. Good morning guys. I think that you probably are. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor There was no sign of it. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. I have one that's more elaborate than that. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Women control our lives. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. It's you know I recognized their report and. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not So Michael follows with the question. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. But you've done some reporting on this. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. But no proof was offered. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. So what those ranges. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. They were able to do all that by genetics. Part II. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. Thanks for your call. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange.

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